The Tradesman's Inn

What i'm asking is what should be a crafters responsibility to his/her clan? And what is the most a crafter could end up doing for his/her clan?

Once again it depends on the type of clan. A crafter in a casual clan might have little/no official responsibility towards the clan. However, a crafter is probably expected to be helpful to fellow clan members when it comes to things like repairs and producing small amounts of items.

In a less casual clan the crafter might very well have official responsibilities such as production quotas and being expected to e.g. be present during sieges. That would typically also imply that the clan has responsibilities towards the crafter such as supplying the crafter with free resources in return for the work the crafter does for the clan.

imho a dediacted crafter is supposed to support his guild with whatever he can provide to the community. Whether you craft weapons, armor, food, boats or rebuild city walls depends on your prferred skills.
i will definately distribute all i'm able to produce to my clan, which will supply me with resources and the required gold to keep up the pace of my production in return.
when a guildie got PKd and looted i will gladly resupply him with whatever i can offer. of course i will not ask for any money in return.

I have two codes I live by:

First: If you bring me all the raw materials I'll make whatever you want for free or put it in the guild vault.
- I've had some that give me more materials than they need - different rules apply to them. They could send a friend over to me and get a full suit of plate and ill be happy to set them up as a returned favor.

Second: I am not a guild slave and don't keep inventory to supply people that don't supply me with resources.

Lets turn this around "What should be a guilds responsibility to his/her crafter?"

I would never expect a pvper to come share their spoils with the crafters.

I agree with this, unless guildies are providing mats any items they want will be sold to them at cost price. I do not make money off guildies but they do not get anything for free if it's cost me money. I will also be happy to loan reliable guild members (and trusted regular customers) gold or equipment on the understanding that I WILL be reimbursed within a reasonable amount of time.

However once I have an obscene amount of gold through general trading then I will be happy to bankroll guild activities as I have done in previous games. In Darkfall I would imagine that this would be city upgrades, warhaulks ect.

of course that goes without saying. noone would distribute supplies for free if it had cost them money to produce said good(s). however if my expenses are beeing compensated by my clan - guildies get their supplies for free wheras an outsider would have to pay not only for my expenses but also would have to pay me for my work. as you said, i dont make money off guildies. but charging the individual guild member is contraproductive, since it cuts into his personal purse.
clan members with lots of money share lots of money with the guild. and thus a lot of clan members can profit from that. the more you put into your own community the more will come around in return.
if you let each member compensate you on his own, you might end up with a few members who have 10 times as much money as others, but also hold on to it - this way around much less is put into your community and much less comes around both for you and your clan mates.
while this does not make me a slave crafter for my guild i feel that not only i personally, but my clan profits from it as well.

Far as our crafters responsibility goes.

The order of the Hearth supply the other two orders with whatever weapons, armor, tools, clothing, buildings, ships, ect we need.
The order of the Harvest supply the Hearth with whatever is needed to full their needs.
The order of the Hunt keeps both the Hearth and Harvest safe from everyone else and supply whatever they loot of those that they kill to our Hearth to reprocess into usable, better quality items.

Pritty straight forwards.

Of course any Hearth member can and probally will take outside personial contacts.. generally its mats + service fee of some sort, more if it needs to travel from our lands to elsewheres.

I would agree about the above statement, it depends on the clan.

My clan works as a team. PVP members protect, gather sources, and donate captured price gold toward the guild. Crafters create items for the guild free of charge. This is a working relationship. Without the other, each cannot do their job. My clan understands, better weapons = better security and power

Crafter, The Seventh Circle (recruiting crafters)

ahh, finally, as in the days of old (UO) my responsibility to my guilds was always to provide the best workmanship my skill level allowed. As the crafters above me, I always provide equipment to guildmates free of charge as long as they provide the mats. If they do not have the required mats, but are known guild members I will front them the requirements as long as they are paid back.

To others outside of the guild, they will buy my merchandise at a slightly higher than standard cost so that I may be able to make a living without having to depend upon the guild for all my needs.

I look forward to the day as it was in the old days where my name as a master craftsman will be known and I will once again be sought out for my wares.

A clan may not share PvP spoils with those not PvPing, as that is how the PvPers make their repair money and purchase their consumables, but the work of those PvPers and the clan can certainly and should certainly benefit the crafter in a very real sense.

A guild should offer security, cameraderie, and access to guild developed resources (such as mines or farms that are guild built on guild land) to a crafter. In return, it's not unreasonable that a crafter be expected to offer items at a discount to clanmates. Imagine, you're discounting items that you would not have had the resources to make without access to guild supplies. That's a win for you and for the clan.

If the clan gives you nothing at all directly, ask yourself if you are more secure from griefers while mining or gathering with the guild than you were without it. And ask yourself if you have access to more and greater supplies of raw materials than you had before you joined the clan. If the answer is yes to these, then you are benefiting from the guild. If the answer is no, and the clan is trying to ask favors of you, then find a new home.